A Perfectly Imperfect Union: Reflecting on America 250 with Howard Miller

<p> Hey there, it's Michael. Welcome to Whole Again, the show that's here in support of you creating a meaningful life and the person you're becoming. And I'm excited to share a new series with you that will air this summer as America turns 250 years old, which is still pretty young relative to many other countries across this big blue marble that we all share.</p>
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<p>The series is called A Perfectly Imperfect Union. In 2022, I rode my bike across America from Astoria, Oregon to the Lincoln Memorial. My wife drove our RV and she had two co-pilots, Jester and Hope, two springer spaniels And when we did it, America was coming out of the pandemic and we were hurting.</p>
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<p>Hurting from things that had happened prior to the pandemic, of course, going through what we all went through. And at that time, and this is something I still believe today, is that we were entering an inflection point. An inflection point for us to hopefully pause, breathe, and reflect on who we wish to become as individuals, as communities, and as a country.</p>
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<p>As I pedaled across America, I wanted to share America's beauty with others, her natural beauty and the beauty of her people. And I also wanted to share where we were hurting As America turns 250, I believe Kintsugi, which is something we use as a metaphor here at Whole Again, is a perfect metaphor for where we are as a country.</p>
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<p>There's so much beauty to celebrate, and we can also acknowledge that parts of us feel broken or are broken. But we can find a way to come back together, just like Kintsugi teaches us. And when we do, we don't try to erase or cover up where we have scars or blemishes. We highlight them in gold, and we celebrate them as symbols of our strength and resilience.</p>
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<p>Kintsugi is called the golden repair, and in essence, we can see beauty in something that's perfectly imperfect. During this series, I plan to speak to at least two people in each state and the District of Columbia, so 102 conversations with real folk, as I like to say. We're gonna let the celebrities and the big influencers have their day somewhere else.</p>
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<p>But here, I wanna reach out and talk to real people and listen to their reflections as they think about America turning 250 years old. And my hope is, is that you'll tune in to at least one, if not all 102, 'cause my theory going into this is that you'll hear different perspectives. Some may be aligned with yours, others may not.</p>
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<p>But my hope is that you hear the goodness in your fellow citizens and realize, as Maya Angelou shared with us, "We are more alike, my friends, than we are unalike." We are more alike, my friends, than we are unalike. I've had the privilege of traveling all over the world and all over this country, and this belief is something that I hold deep inside of me.</p>
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<p>So yes, I do believe that we are more alike, my friends, than we are unalike. And if you're ready to get to know one of your perfectly imperfect neighbors, just like all of us, take a healthy breath in and a slow releasing breath out, and get to know Howard Miller</p>
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<p>Howard, great to see you. So thanks for joining me here on our series, uh, called A Perfectly Imperfect Union. So how are you doing today, my friend? </p>
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<p>Michael, thanks, uh, for inviting me. I'm doing really well. Um, summertime in Cincinnati, it's a, it's a great time to be outside, um, exploring everything we have to offer here.</p>
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<p>Absolutely. So we have a shared connection in our university, so James Madison University. We should upfront say "Go Dukes," and, uh, we can get into it. So, uh, obviously I know a little bit about your background, although we weren't, we were, we had some overlap at JMU, but we didn't know each other. But for those that don't know who you are, can you take a moment to introduce yourself?</p>
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<p>And, uh, you, you sort of gave us a hint. You're in Ohio, um, so, uh, Cincinnati. So I guess the second part of the question, for those that haven't been to Ohio, what's something that's really cool about your state? </p>
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<p>Okay. Um, yeah, just, uh, the connection back to James Madison, um, brings back a lot of very fond memories.</p>
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<p>Um, so that, that was the start of, uh, uh, really my journey into, um, environmental work. Um- Mm ... I got an undergraduate degree in geology, um, with a minor in environmental science. I went on to University of Toledo to get a master's in hydrogeology with a, with a focus on, um, uh, groundwater quality. And that led me, um, to my first professional job in, in Cincinnati, where, uh, I met my wife who, uh, is a native of Cincinnati, and little did I know, uh, she had, uh, no desire to leave.</p>
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<p>The good thing is, Cincinnati ended up being, uh, a great place to live, uh, grow, uh, professionally and expand my career and also, uh, raise a family. Um- </p>
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<p>Yeah ... </p>
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<p>and I've been doing environmental work ever since I landed here. Um, I've been doing private consulting work for 20 years, and I recently, uh, transitioned to, uh, the public side.</p>
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<p>I work for the City of Cincinnati, the Office of Environment Sustainability, and, uh, we do a lot of, uh, f- the work that we, we do focuses on social sustainability. And so- That, that's me kind of in a nutshell. Um, so back to your, your other part of your question. Um, something special about Ohio, um, maybe even a little more focused on the city of Cincinnati.</p>
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<p>What I like about Ohio, and I know this is cliché, you know, we're the, the heart of it all. It, it really is. Um, we're, we're just blessed with a state that has a nice balance of, uh, medium-sized cities, uh, that have all the amenities you could ever want, um, from very nice restaurants, uh, to entertainment, to sports.</p>
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<p>But they also have very much, um, a solid set of values, principles, um, give a, a very much a welcoming, uh, vibe. I feel like I belong here. I don't feel like an outsider, never have. Um, and so there's this sense of, um, security, um, with raising a family and, and staying here that I think most people c- um, can relate to.</p>
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<p>I love the fact that, uh, as you move out of the, uh, the cities we have here, we have some just, um, just beautiful natural environments. Um, great areas to just explore and hike, um, rivers if you're into boating, um, that are just fun to get on. The Ohio River, we're, we're right on. It's beautiful. And I think one of the things that also I really enjoy about Ohio, it, it is, uh, a crossroads.</p>
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<p>We, we have, um... We're at the crossroads of the Great Lakes, the East Coast, the real further Midwest, you know, uh, Mountain West, and we're also at the crossroads of, of the South. Yeah. And we see this mixing of, of people. Um, and I'm, I'm a real believer that the diversity of people is, it creates much more benefit, um, as the sum versus the individual parts And, you know, honestly, as I am in my 50s and I look to retire, um, one of the things that dawned on me is, you know, what, where, where am I gonna do in retirement?</p>
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<p>A lot of people think about where am I gonna live in retirement. </p>
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<p>Sure. </p>
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<p>And I had thought about, you know, oh, I, I wanna go to a lot of different places I haven't been. There's, you know, bucket list. But I keep coming back to, I just wanna visit there. I am going to live in Ohi- in Ohio. I'm going to live in Cincinnati when I retire, um, because it is such a great place.</p>
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<p>I, it, I, I kinda c-came, came to the conclusion that if Cincinnati wasn't that great a place, I would've left a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I would've talked my wife into it. I think it would've been easier to talk her into it. Um, and so the reality is, um, in the line of work that I'm doing, is that we're finding that Cincinnati is, is It's becoming a destination place.</p>
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<p>Yeah, that's </p>
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<p>cool ... has shifted from what a lot of Midwest cities went through, uh, with people leaving for various reasons, many to the Sun Belt. Um, we're seeing a shift in that, that population. We're, we're growing again. Many of the, many of the Midwest cities are as well. Um, and that's been a positive.</p>
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<p>and so we hope, we, we hope to see that continue. </p>
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<p>That's great. That's some great, great press for Cincinnati and, and also the state of Ohio. W- uh, we were talking before we hit record, and I shared that my youngest daughter now lives in Columbus, and so she has, uh, some of the New Jersey, New York, um, fast vibes to her.</p>
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<p>So when she first got out, uh, to Columbus, she's like, "Everyone is so polite." It's like no one wants to go on a four-way stop. Like, everyone's just waving. Everyone, everyone's just waiting and waving and, and she's like, "Uh, we just gotta go." That's like, you know, in New Jersey, no one seems to actually stop at the four-way stop.</p>
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<p>We just go through them. Um, but she's, you know, sh- but it has th- that wonderful Midwestern, uh, humanity and con- connection. And I know when I rode my bike across America, I rode through Ohio, and it was s- it was such a great experience. Just the people and just the, the differences in geography and, um, how each part of the state has, you know, as you mentioned, up near the Great Lakes like Lake Erie, but further down south as you get closer to Kentucky, um, different characteristics, and that diversity makes it a very, yes, uh, special place to be.</p>
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<p>So I have to ask, you know, a lot of things have come up in this series, a, a lot around food, and obviously Cincinnati's sort of known as, like, that five-way chili. So is that, is that something that local people eat, or is it just, like, a tourist thing? Like- </p>
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<p>Oh, very much it is, uh, local people eat it. Okay. All right.</p>
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<p>You can't get a- So it's a local </p>
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<p>Okay Yeah. Can't get e- can't get enough of it. All right. Yeah. It, uh, and it's, um... You, you mentioned the five-way. There's-- We have the three-way, which is the cheese, the chili, and the spaghetti noodles. </p>
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<p>Four-way is either you add onion or bean, and five-way is onion and bean.</p>
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<p>right. Um, very c- very good tasting, very filling comfort food. </p>
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<p>it's good comfort food. Yeah. Uh, it's fast, uh, fast casual. </p>
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<p>Yeah. And, um, it's, uh... And, and there's some slight differences in style and, and ambiance- Sure ... of the different, of the different restaurants, but the, the, the most known, uh, I'd say, uh, franchise chain is Skyline Chili.</p>
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<p>Okay. </p>
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<p>great story behind that, and if anybody ever is in Cincinnati or has... I think there's a couple of these chains other, other places. You have to try it. Uh- </p>
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<p>it's, you know, it, it's a Cincinnati staple. It's right up there with... And I think you can get, uh, the chili in most of the Kro- you know, 'cause Kroger's based in Cincinnati.</p>
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<p>Okay. Oh, yeah. I think they stock Skyline Chili wherever you can get, get Kroger, uh, wherever you have a Kroger. The other big, uh, if you're in Cincinnati and you wanna try something, um, and I know everybody will like this, is ice cream. Graeter's Ice Cream is- Okay ... some of the best ice cream you, you can get in the country.</p>
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<p>I stand by those words. Um, if, if you can pick up some, uh, at a Kroger, but better yet hit one of their, their stores, um, in Cincinnati while you're here. You... The raspberry chocolate chip, you will, you- Okay ... it will be your new favorite. </p>
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<p>I am taking your word for it, man. So I'm due to, uh, make a trip out to visit her, and I think we're, we are going to road trip.</p>
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<p>The last time I was out, we r- took a road trip up to Cleveland, and we're gonna take another road trip maybe to Cincinnati, which I've never been to. I haven't... You know, I've been around Cincinnati, but not in the heart of it. So Skyline Chili and some ice cream. I, I, I'm gonna put it, I'm gonna put it on my to-do list, and I'll, I'll report back our findings to you.</p>
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<p>So, uh, very, very cool. So I've been asking folks in the series, you know, if you were gathered around, maybe you're gathered around a nice, uh, five-way chili with your friends and family, and someone would ask you, "Hey, what does America mean to you?" How would you respond to their question, Howard? </p>
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<p>Yeah, I've thought about that general question, um, a lot lately, and I come back to, um, a couple of words.</p>
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<p>I, I don't know if I can describe it in one word. Um, choice. Um, the choices we have in this country are, are unbelievable. Um, and I think choice is a big part of the foundation of freedom. Um, we- Yeah ... we equate, uh, America with freedom, and I, and I know that There's a lot of talk out there about, you know, just, you know, w-what direction the country's going in and how are our freedoms being suppressed and things like that.</p>
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<p>But I, I would say choice is a big one. Um, I think s- there's still a ton of opportunity, um, to be had in this country. And, uh, tho-those really resound, reside in my brain a lot. The other two things, um, i-in my head, uh, is that we are very, um, welcoming, have been welcoming overall. I know- </p>
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<p>there's been some ebb and flow with that.</p>
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<p>Yeah. Um, and there's a sense of belonging in this country as well, um, that I, that I have and I think many, many people have, is that, uh, we're-- we have a lot of pride being here and, um, we feel like, uh, this, this is home. Um, and maybe there's some, there, there's some generational aspects of this as well, um, that I can speak, I could speak to.</p>
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<p>But tho-those are, those are words that come to my mind when I think about, you know, America. </p>
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<p>Yeah. I li- I lo-love the fact that you brought forward the word choice, 'cause I do think we, even in our most trying times, we still have a choice in how we wanna show up for each other. And, and, and with that, with that choice, there's a responsibility to, you know, to shape the culture in the way we wish for it to be shaped, as opposed to just being passive, right?</p>
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<p>So, uh, so I lo-love the fact that you brought forward this whole concept of choice. And you mentioned too, just, you know, there's obviously a lot in the news, a lot on social media, uh, the feeling that, you know, we're, we're, we're divided, uh, we're siloed, there's loneliness, there's a whole bunch. Like, the list can go on and on, right?</p>
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<p>So I, I was curious though, like, have-- are there times where you feel really connected to your fellow neighbor there in Cincinnati? Uh, maybe metaphorically speaking, maybe it's not your exact next door neighbor, but where you feel that connection, even when you're with people that you may have a different perspective from.</p>
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<p>Any moments come to mind? </p>
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<p>Absolutely. Um, literally every day. Yeah. One of the biggest reasons I decided to become a public servant was I felt disconnected from the, the city, the community. I felt very much, um, where I lived and how I worked and who I worked for. Um, I was in a bubble, and it was, um, it, it, it was real, but it felt a little bit off-center from reality.</p>
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<p>And, um, just Getting into public service reali- made me realize that the city is very diverse. Um, there's a lot of people coming from, uh, so many different walks of life, um, so many different challenges. Um, many people have, uh, wonderful stories, um, bring many strengths to the table, and I wanted to be a part of the community that really was on the front lines of how do, how, how do we continually improve where we live?</p>
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<p>How do we help people that d- do need help, have struggled? Maybe there has been some, um, uh, systemic, um, um, things that have held them back or made it difficult to move forward. Um, and I've been blessed to have a job that has allowed me to do various different things within Cincinnati to, to help the community.</p>
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<p>Um, environmental and sustainability, and it is v-- such a broad topic that we're able to be innovative, we're able to pivot, be agile, to help where the help is needed, to be able to prioritize that, to be able to, um, you know, listen to the city's voice and listen to where we need to participate more and allow people to participate more in the, in the conversation.</p>
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<p>So that, that's, that's been really deep. Um, that, that's probably the biggest area. The other area, and I've s- I've spent m- many, many years coaching, um, as a, as it's, um, um, a love of mine to, to coach, uh, lacrosse. </p>
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<p>All right. Yeah. </p>
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<p>I love playing it. I love coaching it, and, uh, it was very meaningful for me to, um, not just instill...</p>
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<p>One of the things I learned in early in my coaching career, it's wasn't about necessarily teaching, um, young men how to, how to play the game of lacrosse. It's- </p>
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<p>a lot of it was about culture and- </p>
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<p>teaching young men how to work as a team in any environment and understand that we may not all agree, may not all get along, but sometimes we have to put a bigger purpose ahead of our individual, you know, desires, um, and how to prioritize and how to be accountable, um, for what, what we do.</p>
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<p>And that, that's, um, been a, a, a great journey as well, being, uh, able to help Um, young men come together, uh, in a sport we all love, but also build upon that </p>
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<p>Yeah, that's so great that you're doing that 'cause that's a gift that you're providing to them that will-- that they'll carry with them throughout their life.</p>
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<p>I know that some of my coaches from my youth, even going back to when I was a ten-year-old Little Leaguer, I still remember some of the guidance that my coach, Ron Brown, gave us back then. I still use it to today. So the fact that you're, uh, leaning into that is, like, such a great, such a great gift. One of the things or the thing I'm using as a metaphor for our series is the Japanese art form of Kintsugi, where pottery breaks, but we can put it back together, and instead of hiding the blemishes, we, you know, dust them with gold and they become-- it becomes the golden repair and symbols of our strength and resilience.</p>
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<p>So when you think about all the different things that can be on our to-do list to help the country heal or connect or grow, maybe not in a perfect way, but a good first step, what would be one thing that you would like to tackle? </p>
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<p>There's, there's, uh, there's a lot of, lot of things. I- </p>
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<p>if it's okay, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say two things that popped into my head.</p>
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<p>absolutely. </p>
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<p>Yeah. I'll start, I'll start with the first was, um, we're always gonna have politics, po-politics in every aspect of our lives. Um, and I, and I think that's okay. It's, it's part of the fabric of who we are. Um- Yeah ... you know? It's how </p>
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<p>a road gets paved. Yes. You know, politics. If you want your road paved and your trash picked up, politics are involved some- Uh, um-</p>
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<p>in some form or fashion, right? </p>
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<p>E-exactly. And we have become so polarized, I feel like that if I was gonna fix something, it would be really ins-in-installing the value of moderation. Um, w-w-thinking about the center, thinking about the middle. Um, and the-- I think that's, that's, that's big for me. Um, the s- the second thing I would say is accountability.</p>
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<p>Um, I think, uh, politically and in many ways culturally, uh, we've seen, uh, accountability among people erode. Um, and I think from, uh- A societal standpoint, if, if we're not, uh, if we can't be accountable to ourselves and other people, um, a lot of what we have come to see is, is just hot air. I mean, some people use fake news, um, you name it.</p>
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<p>Um, and I'll go back to one of the first-- one of the other questions you said where I, I, I talked about one of the greatest things about this country is choice, and what America means to me is choice. The danger of that choice is not being accountable for the choices you make. And that's, that's one of the areas that if we don't have both, you have great choice, but with that choice comes the responsibility to be accountable That, that's where I s- I, I see us diverting from moderation, middle ground, into these very polar extremes.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I hear you. The whole concept of accountability. So, hey, if something goes well, we can be accountable to that. You know, that's... We can celebrate that. But if you spill the milk, you gotta own that too. You can't point the finger. We gotta, you know, we own it all, and be- being accountable is a good value for all of us to a-align to.</p>
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<p>I l- I love that, how you brought that up. So in the series, I've been asking the person before you, uh, if they have a question. So the other day, I was speaking with Jessica Rose from Oklahoma, and her, um, her question is this one: Um, what's something you think you can do today to help make the country a bit better?</p>
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<p>I think the how I'd answer that, um, is aligned with, with what I'm, what I'm trying to do in my everyday job, um, is be more individually resilient. Um- </p>
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<p>identify ways that you can be r-resilient in your life. Um, and one of the, one of those ways is to ensure that you are, um, open to the concept of social cohesion.</p>
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<p>Um- Yeah ... and that, that, what that means is you're willing to help others and have others help you, because when you do that, you're greater than the sum of your individual parts. It's I help you- Yeah ... you help me, we help everybody. We all get better together. Um, but th- and that's the core of, of resilience thinking.</p>
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<p>But I, I think a lot of what I've seen in my work, just daily life, is that, um, w-we, we have a, a rapidly changing world, um, and that there's a lot of expectations that, uh, resilience will come from some other place, and the reality is most of it will not. It's, it's with you, um, and just teaching it, teaching people that There, and that's, get back to my other, it's a choice, and it's a- It's </p>
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<p>choice, yeah</p>
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<p>it's worth making. </p>
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<p>Yeah. Yeah, it's, as cliche as it is, it's the one plus one equals three, and- Yeah ... it does start with us. We can't just wait around for, um, some new leader to pop into our government or our corporations or our communities. You know, it really does, it's, it starts with us that we can look at our fellow neighbor and see our story and their story and vice versa and help each other out.</p>
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<p>So, I, I love that you brought that up. So what question would you have for the next person I talk to in our series? </p>
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<p>That's a, that's a great one. Um, I've actually just in my head very quickly debating fun, serious question- Sure. ... not at all question. Um, and let me, let me just think in terms of what we've been talking about and, um, you know, for, for America.</p>
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<p>Um, in the line of work I do, um, the year 2050 is a very important year. So my question to whoever Comes next in your series is, what is your vision of, of America in 2050? </p>
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<p>And what is-- what-- if you were to write a newspaper article, um, uh, your prediction of 2050, what, what would your newspaper article say?</p>
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<p>Okay. </p>
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<p>And the reason why 2050 is important is, um, I'm involved with, uh, climate change work. Sure. And 2050 is a goal, um, globally to, uh, become carbon neutral, uh, by 2050. Um, this is a very aspirational goal. Um, it's still an important goal. Um, and that is, uh, that is intended to mitigate, um, the warming, rapidly increasing temperatures, uh, that we're experiencing, um, and the changes that are occurring.</p>
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<p>And so, um, without trying to fulfill this goal, um, and even if we do, we're going to see change. It just depends on the scale of the change, the intensity of the change. And so 2050, by all accounts, uh, uh, we know it's gonna be different than now. Yes. </p>
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<p>Um, but how much different? Yeah. And how much control do we have on is 2050 gonna be a good different or a bad different?</p>
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<p>Yes. And we have, uh, we have choice as we, um, uh, move to that particular date. Great question. Obviously very much aligned to your work, but in, and your passion, but it's something we should all be passionate about. We, you know, we're all living through record heat, and I think people have also, you know, we're hopefully paying attention to how intense the storms are.</p>
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<p>It's like the, the ebb and flow seems to be deeper and higher as far as the intensity that we're, we're living in. So I will definitely ask that question of the next person I talk to in the series. And Howard, thanks again for joining me, and thanks for putting a important ripple effect into the world. I really appreciate, you know, what you shared today, and then really what you're doing to make, to make the world just a bit better tomorrow than it is today.</p>
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<p>So again, thanks for joining me. </p>
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<p>Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate it. Great, great discussion.</p>
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<p>It's always great to connect with another from my university, James Madison, so I'm so thankful that Howard decided to join our series. And I love how he introduced the whole concept of choice, and with that choice, there's responsibility and accountability. Those in our Pause, Breathe, Reflect meditative sangha know that I often will say, "You're always at choice."</p>
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<p>We have a choice every day in how we wish to show up for ourselves, hopefully in accordance to our values, our first principles, but of course, we also have a choice in how we show up for each other. And I love his question as it relates to 2050. So what steps are you taking, or how do you think 2050 will be?</p>
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<p>Let me know in the comments section. And as always, thanks for listening in, and I hope you'll check out the next episode of Whole Again and continue to listen in to this series, A Perfectly Imperfect Union. But until then, let's remember to celebrate our scars as golden symbols of our strength and resilience.</p>
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<p>And don't forget to have fun storming the castle.</p>
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<p>And if you wish to learn more about creating beautiful ripples and how to prevent a bad moment from turning into a bad day, please visit my website, michaelobrienshift.com, and sign up for my newsletter called The Ripple Effect. And join us each Monday, Wednesday, and Friday here at Whole Again, and discover how you can heal, grow, and become more resilient, and celebrate our scars as golden symbols of strength and resilience.</p>
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<p>Until then, remember, you can always come back to your breath. You've got this, and we've got you.</p>